David Moyes needs no reminding of when Everton's Barclays Premier League campaign hit its nadir - but will get it as Hull visit Goodison Park tomorrow.
The Toffees endured a troubled and injury-hit start to the season and three successive defeats in November left them fifth bottom.
Amid that run was a dreadful performance at struggling Hull when Moyes' side conceded three times in the opening 28 minutes.
They hit back to lose just 3-2 but Moyes was still furious at his team's capitulation and was left questioning their commitment and desire.
Moyes said: 'On that night I think there were genuine reasons for asking those questions.
'The situation we were in at that time was terrible, our performance was shocking.
'We put it right in the second half, and in truth we should have got back and scored three goals, but if you give yourself a mountain to climb it makes it doubly difficult.
'That was probably a real low for us at that moment in time.'
Looking back, Moyes now views that KC Stadium nightmare as the turning point in Everton's season.
In the 12 games that followed Everton lost just twice - both times to rivals Liverpool - to charge into the top half and possible European contention.
That run culminated in superb home defeats of leaders Chelsea and champions Manchester United.
'I think from around about that period we picked up,' said Moyes.
'They then rose to the challenge and have performed much better.
'The team looks better, the club is back on the up and we need to try to finish very positively.'